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Bullwinkle
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Colton Herta Becomes youngest Indycar winner ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-24-2019 16:38
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Colton Herta, in his third Indycar race if his career, became the youngest driver ever to win an Indycar race Sunday in the series first race at Circuit of the Americas.

He had some luck to go from third to first, leapfrogging Will Power and Alexander Rossi when Felix Rosenqvist crashed with about 16 laps remaining.

Herta's speed was no fluke. He led the restart with 10 laps to go and quickly pulled out aq 4-second lead on Josef Newgarden and Ryan Hunter-Reay.

Hondas populated eight of the top 10 positions (Chevy finished 2nd and 8th). More later.

sadlerau
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes youngest Indycar winner ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-24-2019 22:54
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Well done young man, luck has soo much to do with any success, so a win is a win!

How did the Honda motor's fare? Any more dramas on that front [we don't have live TV coverage down-under this year].

RolledaNsx
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes youngest Indycar winner ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-24-2019 23:32
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Looks like pry solved
sadlerau
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes youngest Indycar winner ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-24-2019 23:59
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So it looks like it was a manufacturing process problem, not a design problem. Reassuring if so.
zekohonda
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes youngest Indycar winner ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2019 03:44
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race was interesting...a lot of fight up and down the order. no track limits policy for turn 19 was crazy...i have never seen that kind of rule.
as it it said already, colton was lucky with fcy, but still he drove great race.
i am happy for sato, he managed to climb to 7th.
was anyone from this forum at the race?
first big honda win at cota this year...i hope things will be similar in moto and f1 races. :D

gofast182
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes Youngest Indycar Winner Ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2019 06:28
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Pretty good race although my DVR stopped recording with 7 laps remaining which was massively annoying.

Nice win for the young driver, young team, and of course for Honda. Hopefully COTA is now a permanent staple on the Indycar calendar.

Rosenqvist looked like he was struggling despite laying down some dominant laps in qualifying. It would have been interesting to see where he finished if he wasn't tagged and put into the wall.

Finally a respectable finish for Bourdais. I want to see him in the fight this year, if for no other reason than his driving is spectacular to watch when he's charging.

Bullwinkle
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes Youngest Indycar Winner Ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2019 10:39
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gofast182 wrote:
Pretty good race although my DVR stopped recording with 7 laps remaining which was massively annoying.


If you subscribe to NBCSN though cable or satellite, you can watch the whole race either NBCSports.com or through an app.

Nice win for the young driver, young team, and of course for Honda. Hopefully COTA is now a permanent staple on the Indycar calendar.

Rosenqvist looked like he was struggling despite laying down some dominant laps in qualifying. It would have been interesting to see where he finished if he wasn't tagged and put into the wall.


Because the track has very little grip, the tires were dropping off rapidly. Dixon and Rosenqvist never figured it out. The way O'Ward attacked on fresh tires made it worse. Herta, Newgarden and Hunter-Reay had less trouble with it than a lot of the others.

The only two drivers who could run hard through a complete tire stint were Power and Rossi. Rossi was able to keep up with Power, and the two of them were more than 10 seconds ahead of Herta right before the yellow flag. They were in a class by themselves.

The drive of the day BY FAR was Rossi the last few laps after the restart. He went from 14th on Lap 50 to 9th at the end of the race. If you get a chance, go back and watch the last 10 laps. Rossi drives like a total maniac. One save is just incredible.

Finally a respectable finish for Bourdais. I want to see him in the fight this year, if for no other reason than his driving is spectacular to watch when he's charging.


His comments on the the Racer report videos with Marshall Pruett are really interesting. In order to be really fast with this Indycar you have to set it up so it's so loose the back end drives itself around every corner. You steer with the brakes and the accelerator and the steering wheel is just used for course corrections.

This is what Robert Wickens figured out right away, followed by Rossi. Dixon and power caught on later in the 2018 season and now most of the field has adjusted to it.

Bourdais admits that he really can't do that. And the team has been struggling to try to give him what he wants (a steady rear end with a little understeer), but when you do that the car is slow. He's gonna have to figure out how to drive a loose car or he may be forced into sports cars full time.

gofast182
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes Youngest Indycar Winner Ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2019 15:23
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Bullwinkle wrote:
gofast182 wrote:
Pretty good race although my DVR stopped recording with 7 laps remaining which was massively annoying.


If you subscribe to NBCSN though cable or satellite, you can watch the whole race either NBCSports.com or through an app.



I do, it wouldn't load.

NealX
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes youngest Indycar winner ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-25-2019 17:32
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sadlerau wrote:
Well done young man, luck has soo much to do with any success, so a win is a win!

How did the Honda motor's fare? Any more dramas on that front [we don't have live TV coverage down-under this year].


Check YouTube for either the highlights or entire race.

Bullwinkle
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes youngest Indycar winner ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-26-2019 09:44
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NealX wrote:
sadlerau wrote:
Well done young man, luck has soo much to do with any success, so a win is a win!

How did the Honda motor's fare? Any more dramas on that front [we don't have live TV coverage down-under this year].


Check YouTube for either the highlights or entire race.



This is the extended highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dStwHNH0Vs4

This is the race in 30 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gINzxluW1U

CarPhreakD
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes Youngest Indycar Winner Ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-26-2019 10:35
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Bullwinkle wrote:
His comments on the the Racer report videos with Marshall Pruett are really interesting. In order to be really fast with this Indycar you have to set it up so it's so loose the back end drives itself around every corner. You steer with the brakes and the accelerator and the steering wheel is just used for course corrections.

This is what Robert Wickens figured out right away, followed by Rossi. Dixon and power caught on later in the 2018 season and now most of the field has adjusted to it.

Bourdais admits that he really can't do that. And the team has been struggling to try to give him what he wants (a steady rear end with a little understeer), but when you do that the car is slow. He's gonna have to figure out how to drive a loose car or he may be forced into sports cars full time.


This is the part I found kind of fascinating. But, even though the drivers say "loose", they still want a predictable rear end right? One with progressive breakaway and no sudden unpredictable changes when going over bumps so they can ride the traction limits? It sounds like they're talking about front to rear spring balance. Is the chassis and aero regs resulting in cars being loose in the back or is that just what the teams found to work best?

I can understand Bourdais' struggles because modern vehicle design dictates a neutral rear end for most driver confidence. It's hard to get to an ass-out driving style unless you have confidence you're not going to spin out.

RolledaNsx
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes Youngest Indycar Winner Ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-26-2019 12:13
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CarPhreakD wrote:
Bullwinkle wrote:
His comments on the the Racer report videos with Marshall Pruett are really interesting. In order to be really fast with this Indycar you have to set it up so it's so loose the back end drives itself around every corner. You steer with the brakes and the accelerator and the steering wheel is just used for course corrections.

This is what Robert Wickens figured out right away, followed by Rossi. Dixon and power caught on later in the 2018 season and now most of the field has adjusted to it.

Bourdais admits that he really can't do that. And the team has been struggling to try to give him what he wants (a steady rear end with a little understeer), but when you do that the car is slow. He's gonna have to figure out how to drive a loose car or he may be forced into sports cars full time.


This is the part I found kind of fascinating. But, even though the drivers say "loose", they still want a predictable rear end right? One with progressive breakaway and no sudden unpredictable changes when going over bumps so they can ride the traction limits? It sounds like they're talking about front to rear spring balance. Is the chassis and aero regs resulting in cars being loose in the back or is that just what the teams found to work best?

I can understand Bourdais' struggles because modern vehicle design dictates a neutral rear end for most driver confidence. It's hard to get to an ass-out driving style unless you have confidence you're not going to spin out.



Dirt riders and Senna(gifted drivers) like loose rear ends.They keep it under control with fast steering and with throttle/brake. Schumacher needed a tight rear to go fast(point and hard throttle...more trust in the car will not loose grip) Senna took the corner faster than the rest knowing he can catch it, Schumacher took the corner faster because he had the best car and he was smooth as ice.

RolledaNsx
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes Youngest Indycar Winner Ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-26-2019 12:29
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All race drivers can handle progressive breakaway only a few can handle abrupt breakaway (this aero on indycar now causes more abrupt breakaway over bumps)

It's a drivers series now.

sadlerau
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes Youngest Indycar Winner Ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-26-2019 16:23
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Just caught up with the highlights, poor old Power was mightly pissed off, rightly so.

I cannot abide by the stewards allowing the run off in Turn 19. Pathetic. May as well redraw the track and just call it the racing line, because that was how it was treated.

Rossi really "went for it" at the end, I have a feeling Power would have joined him were it not for his Input shaft?

TonyEX
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Re: Colton Herta Becomes Youngest Indycar Winner Ever    (Score: 1, Normal) 03-28-2019 18:29
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RolledaNsx wrote:
... Schumacher needed a tight rear to go fast(point and hard throttle....



ROTFLOL...

Well, he is German. What do you expect?

Sorry, but that was asking for it...


 
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